History to your country!

Marksel wrote:

Mr.Mackey wrote:
Get the fuck out of here troll, if it wasnt for the Ottoman empire you would speak spanish instead of dutch ungratefull fuck. As for hater get over it, you may say we enslaved you if that was true your people would be erased of the earth. You may been slaves but you had the same status as free people. Slaves in that time where more soldiers or workers

Wtf is this all about?
Calling me a troll?
Calling me an ungrateful fuck?

First of all, it was not a troll but a serious comment. Just because not everyone beleives in this weird fantasy of yours that Turky never did anything wrong and that the ottoman empire was heaven on earth doesn't mean we are trolls or ungrateful.

If the ottoman empire wouldn't be here, then we wouldn't speak Spanish either. You need to delve deeper into those books of yours before you say anything foolish like that, because the ottoman empire had nothing to do with Holland what so ever.

Just because Bulgarians in Holland talk Turkish, what the fuck does that say about the Bulgarians in Bulgaria? This is the weirdest logic I have seen in a LOOONG time.


Instead of being so harassive towards me you could try talking in a normal manner..

PS: For the ungrateful fuck part: I beleive you said 'Ok Holland won Brazil.. I hope they lose next match!' talking about ungrateful. You're welcome for giving you a place to live Please don't hesitate to make fun of the country you live in and disrespect everyone around you, we don't mind.

Do you really think it was my choice to live here? Sooner I finish my school the sooner im out of here... a country that lives from the pain of its own citizens is not my country.. and yeah you clearly dont know anything about your own history.. The spanish feared the ottoman empire thats why the dutch asked the help of our grandfathers... dutch are only good in shooting farmers in indonesia..

Resqueting a forum mod to close this topic plox...

I find this very interesting.


On-topic - Vladimir Lenin the greatest man in the history.

Just read what he gave/granted us Finns.

|SuvI| wrote:I find this very interesting.


On-topic - Vladimir Lenin the greatest man in the history.

Just read what he gave/granted us Finns.

I admire the finnish resistance against the soviets back in WW2.. Courageous man as the finnish should be awarded with the highest decoration imo

The majority of officials of the Ottoman government were bought slaves, they were raised free, but they were integral to the success of the Ottomans from the fourteenth century to the nineteenth. By raising and specially training slaves as officials, not only did they get administrators with intricate knowledge of government and fanatic loyalty, but they cut back corruption as an administrator would have no ties in the region, thus he would not favor one person over another when granting contracts..

Now compare this with the way the dutch or the americans enslaved black people..

Bashing my religion wont help you much as it commands to raise people who are slaved the way you want to be raised.. living free and dying free.. Compare it to your own way of enslaving people.. I damn well know what the ancestors of my fellow dutchmen did in indonesia.. suriname.. curacao.. Aruba.. dutch antillen

Mr.Mackey wrote:The majority of officials of the Ottoman government were bought slaves, they were raised free, but they were integral to the success of the Ottomans from the fourteenth century to the nineteenth. By raising and specially training slaves as officials, not only did they get administrators with intricate knowledge of government and fanatic loyalty, but they cut back corruption as an administrator would have no ties in the region, thus he would not favor one person over another when granting contracts..

Now compare this with the way the dutch or the americans enslaved black people..

Bashing my religion wont help you much as it commands to raise people who are slaved the way you want to be raised.. living free and dying free.. Compare it to your own way of enslaving people.. I damn well know what the ancestors of my fellow dutchmen did in indonesia.. suriname.. curacao.. Aruba.. dutch antillen

Your fellow dutchmen? Some posts ago you we're fucking about this country saying you want to leave it

Mr.Mackey wrote:Now compare this with the way the dutch or the americans enslaved black people..

Just because someone else robbed a bank, it doesn't give you permission to steal a purse.

Red-Phoenix wrote:

Marksel wrote:

Red-Phoenix wrote:Belgian beated Holland and won their independance i think it was 1830

Get the facts straight ^_^

Belgium was merged with The Netherlands, the Belgians never 'won' their independance, they simply left the Netherlands without any act of competition, war or battle.

Use the right words when you describe history, because the differance between 'won' and 'got' is quite massive in this context.

there was a war actually

and i go another one , the town im Living in is the hometown of Ambiorix , The Gallo Who Kicked Julius Caesar Ass

I think that that guy is strong xD I have a Kick ass Foot

KoD wrote:

Mr.Mackey wrote:The majority of officials of the Ottoman government were bought slaves, they were raised free, but they were integral to the success of the Ottomans from the fourteenth century to the nineteenth. By raising and specially training slaves as officials, not only did they get administrators with intricate knowledge of government and fanatic loyalty, but they cut back corruption as an administrator would have no ties in the region, thus he would not favor one person over another when granting contracts..

Now compare this with the way the dutch or the americans enslaved black people..

Bashing my religion wont help you much as it commands to raise people who are slaved the way you want to be raised.. living free and dying free.. Compare it to your own way of enslaving people.. I damn well know what the ancestors of my fellow dutchmen did in indonesia.. suriname.. curacao.. Aruba.. dutch antillen

Your fellow dutchmen? Some posts ago you we're fucking about this country saying you want to leave it

Yes that is true, I am going to leave but for now im still here so that makes you and the other noob fellow dutchmen..

Marksel wrote:

Mr.Mackey wrote:Now compare this with the way the dutch or the americans enslaved black people..

Just because someone else robbed a bank, it doesn't give you permission to steal a purse.

You cannot compare this to slavery..

Marksel wrote:

Mr.Mackey wrote:Now compare this with the way the dutch or the americans enslaved black people..

Just because someone else robbed a bank, it doesn't give you permission to steal a purse.

+1

On Topic: Norway was one time the most feared ppl, because our vikings, we stole and raped, nothing to be proud of, but the first part is cool : )

Mr.Mackey wrote:

KoD wrote:

Mr.Mackey wrote:The majority of officials of the Ottoman government were bought slaves, they were raised free, but they were integral to the success of the Ottomans from the fourteenth century to the nineteenth. By raising and specially training slaves as officials, not only did they get administrators with intricate knowledge of government and fanatic loyalty, but they cut back corruption as an administrator would have no ties in the region, thus he would not favor one person over another when granting contracts..

Now compare this with the way the dutch or the americans enslaved black people..

Bashing my religion wont help you much as it commands to raise people who are slaved the way you want to be raised.. living free and dying free.. Compare it to your own way of enslaving people.. I damn well know what the ancestors of my fellow dutchmen did in indonesia.. suriname.. curacao.. Aruba.. dutch antillen

Your fellow dutchmen? Some posts ago you we're fucking about this country saying you want to leave it

Yes that is true, I am going to leave but for now im still here so that makes you and the other noob fellow dutchmen..

I don't know the reason why you here, but anyway I think you shouldn't be so negative about a country who's paying taxes to give foreigners a better future, while alot of dutch people are living on dry bread.

omg guys ;D every time a topic is starting about history or religion it turns into a war.. ^^ cant we just all hate those freaks from america making those list about ús.. landoverbaptist ^^ haha atlest we can agree on that

KoD wrote:

Mr.Mackey wrote:

KoD wrote:

Mr.Mackey wrote:The majority of officials of the Ottoman government were bought slaves, they were raised free, but they were integral to the success of the Ottomans from the fourteenth century to the nineteenth. By raising and specially training slaves as officials, not only did they get administrators with intricate knowledge of government and fanatic loyalty, but they cut back corruption as an administrator would have no ties in the region, thus he would not favor one person over another when granting contracts..

Now compare this with the way the dutch or the americans enslaved black people..

Bashing my religion wont help you much as it commands to raise people who are slaved the way you want to be raised.. living free and dying free.. Compare it to your own way of enslaving people.. I damn well know what the ancestors of my fellow dutchmen did in indonesia.. suriname.. curacao.. Aruba.. dutch antillen

Your fellow dutchmen? Some posts ago you we're fucking about this country saying you want to leave it

Yes that is true, I am going to leave but for now im still here so that makes you and the other noob fellow dutchmen..

I don't know the reason why you here, but anyway I think you shouldn't be so negative about a country who's paying taxes to give foreigners a better future, while alot of dutch people are living on dry bread.

Did I ever say im unthankfull for the things the Netherlands has done for me? Giving me education,healthcare and a future.. I just dislike people who try to twist the history... Imo the Netherlands is a great country.. the only thing they should fix is giving the power back to the people!

My people where maybe the first to settle the East Europe, south-east, around 500 - 300 BC, some other sources says 200 BC. My people was the Illyrians. About religion they were atheists, or not that but they prayed to many creators, like the sun, tree, and other things.


When the Roman empire occupated this parts of Illyria the people converted to Christiany and the map then was like this:
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fil:Illyricum_%28Imperium_Romanum%29.png

For you religious people who are Christians, the Illyrians were named in Bibel as Illyrida, dont got the exactly numbers.

The Illyrias territory today is : Kosovo, Albania, A northern part of Greece where it was majority of albanians but who was taken by Greece (see about London conferens 1912-1913 that Ill right about) souther part of Montenegro, east part of Macedonia and a part of Southern Serbia the cities, Nis, Prokuplje, Presheva (look in google earth) , this was approximately the bordings of Illyria and Albanian empire.

This territory has always been very rich of natyral and minerals, and of course gold too. Serbia and Turkey has been countries that fought very much to have controle over this. Turkey occupied us during the Ottoman empire, and made the country a little bit better, and changed our religion to muslims. Some sources say by forcing us, but some says that we did it by our self because the Romans forced us to change.

When the Ottoman empire were going down there were many resistance groups that fought, Serbia, Greece, Montenegro all fought against the Ottoman Empire to get so much land as possible while Ottoman empire were getting weaker. Albanians got an army, with a man on the top, George Kastriot Skandenberg (Gjergj Kastriot Skenderbeu on albanian for more correct) Who fought for religion and land. He was Christian catholic.

After the Balkan war, 1912-1913 the London conferens, who killed many Albanians dreams and hearts according to me, because im a nationalict and love my people and country.

In this conferenc all diplomats from Balkan and Europe were there to decide the borders of Albania and other countries in Balkan

This was Europes first misstake;
After the first Balkan war the bordings of Balkan countries wasnt good, so Europe were going to draw the bordings

This was the etnic Albania:



Shqiperia etnike historikisht - The historical ethnic Albania
Shqiperia e sotme - Todays Albania


When the bordings were drawed this was what were called Albania:


Territory of Kosovo where outside, Cameria (a part of Northwest of Greece), part of souther Montenegro and parts of eastern Macedonia were taken of serbs and greece who were people in this parts were majority albanians, thats why for example Kosovo searched and got an idenpendence 17th of February 2008.
When this parts were taken away from Albania, all albanian in this parts where tortued and massacred by Greece and Serbs...

Today Albanians are very splittered.

Albania during WW2:
Albanians never care about religion, if u are muslim or christiany doesnt matter they take u as brother because u are albanian, Albania used to help jews very much during WW2, sources says that before Einstein went to USA, he passed thru Albania, all jews that where haunted in Balkan were helped by Albanians very much, very many Jews were living in parts of Albania during this time, Albania is the only country today that can travel in Israel without a visa.


BUT other side there were Albanian nationalsocialists (aka Nazists) who were on Hitlers side, when Hitler stated that northern Albania and Kosovo where herrenvolk (Aryans) (If you want proofs on that, I can show you) because of the research the Italians did 1942-1944 said that we wwere that. But when turks occupied us the made like a racemix on us earlier on History, but still there are some Albanians who are pure albanian raced.

Himmler justified his advocacy of the Greater Albania cause by anthropological research which the Italians had conducted which they argued proved that the Ghegs of northern Albania were ethnically pure Aryans, members of the master race. Himmler thus wanted to incorporate the ethnically pure Aryan Albanians into the elite Waffen SS. The war ended before Himmler could form the second Albanian SS Division.

http://www.kosovo.net/gralb.html


"The Albanians, the last vital mountain aryan warriors at the end corners of Europe."
This was Hitlers own words about the Albanians.
Even Hitlers favourite writer wrote a book about Albanians, Durch Das Land Der Skipetaren" (The land of the Albanians)

Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_invasion_theory
http://shopbase.finetunes.net/shopserver/BinaryCacheServlet?albumid=1175499656195&datatype= fc300


I dont care about what race I am , even if I was an Aryan I would be ashamed of that. Some says that when Aryans came from India some of them settled near us, but I dont got good sources to proof on that.




Europes second mistake to us;

The 99-war, or 1999 where thousands of Albanians where massacred, by serbians.
To me this means more than Holocaust, or other massacres, its about my people.
They never used for example weapon but they used to tortue us, because we were another people and another religion, who did this? The Serbs.
They used for example to pick out the eyes of people, pick out the babies of pregment womens, rape the womens in front of the mens, shortly i want to give u a picture, they never fired weapon!

So the albanians all around the world left their families and came to fight for something more important, for their country and motherland, KLA Kosovo Liberation Army was created (UCK - Ushtria Climtare e Kosoves) and fought against the serbs.

Result of this war was that we finally got our independece after over 1000 dark years and searching after this, where Europe were standing and watchin people dies, maybe they didnt care because we were something not like them, in race/religion/opinions and I dont know ?

And the Holland who did the big mistake for example in Bosnia, where 7000 muslims died where the mission of the Holland army was to protect them and not to give them to the serbs.


Today Im here in Sweden, thinking to serve my country as good as possible, to educate me in Sweden and get back to my country, so my children should learn our tradition our country, to know to which country the belongs to.

If you ask me, I dont like Serbs, I dont talk to them, I dont be with them, if I know that their need our help I will not do anything , If some serb is close to die I wont help anything. Just to say, I dont kill/assault/harass them, but I dont answer to help them, but I will never attack. But if a new war is getting started, I will serve then against them, to revench of what they have did to us.
. And I think I have right to that, because what they did, was terribel, they didnt kill the soldiers, they killed civillians. I dont for example buy products from Seriba, I dont want to learn the language, everything that have to do with Serbia I boycott that.

I´ve told my friends, if you one day see me married with a serb you can kill me, whole my family will forgive you, and even if u belive in God, the day we stay infront of God I will say God forgive this guy, he did something good to murder me.

To make you understand, Serbs for us are like Nazist for Jews.

I love my people more than other, if you say to me let your people die and whole the world to survive, I would say let whole world disappear and let my people live. I think ALL of you would say so about your country.


Albania got it independence on 28 november 1912.

About KLA
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/U%C3%87K



A few pictures of Albanians heros and flags taken by me on a musem in Tirana, capital of Albania.






At last, if you think im racist about what I said about serbs, I can just tell you that 50-60 % of my friends are non Albanians, one of my best friends is black etc etc. I dont hate anyone.

Want to add a thing:

All of the countries who used to have slaves , black people should STFU and stop whining over their immigration to their countires, YOU destroyed their country and land and took their resources, go and build their countires up , or have them close to you.

Im tired of these racists who hates the Africans!

Marksel:
Well, dont think the text above was to you I just write a message to you here to not spam.

When arab and turks (muslims) took slaves, they took the enemy as slave, the enemy in war. NEVER like the Christians or West world did to Africans.

And when Arab and Turks took slaves, they gave them a few rights, they were allowed to keep their religion.

YOu should maybe read more about the slave thing and see what slaves was to Christians and what their was to Muslims. The slaves are even named on the holy book of muslims about how they should be treated, can I find anything in Bibel about that? Or I can just rape their women, kill them, tortue them and everything, right ?

kLeiNeS biEsT wrote:I´m not proud of german history... this austrian bad guy did so much bad things

Wasnt he good for the Germans and Austrians ? I mean he fixed up your country and made the livingstandard better, but of course other way he made bad things, but to Germans and Austrians he helped them. To others he was bad.


AND necro, aint you from Israel ?

All of the countries who used to have slaves , black people should STFU and stop whining over their immigration to their countires, YOU destroyed their country and land and took their resources, go and build their countires up , or have them close to you.

I didn't do anything? Generalise more plox. I will read your longass story later.


The german part: He did really good things for germany, but he also did alot of good things in HIS eyes, that means that his toughts were that he did good. But he only did good for the people who tought deserved it and deserved the 'lebensraum'. I mean, he wasn't thát good for the jews, handicappeds, polish people, etc. etc. blablalba

Florent wrote:AND necro, aint you from Israel ?

No, I'm Spanish. Nexter is the israeli.

Kod, I dont point you, I mean it generally.

Actually Hitler thought good but did it wrong. If he was an nationalict and wanted to help his people was good, nobody can deny that, its a good thing. But problem was, that the other who didnt belong to his "my people" and who was against him, he killed them, if he would do another solution, then he would be a good man, but he f*cked it up by doing that shit. But his thoughts of HIS OWN PEOPLE was good, but of OTHER PEOPLE was bad.

Dont missunderstand, read the text many times

So I like the good things he did, but totally he was bad.

There is a quote that I use:
"Even if a person is bad, just take his good deeds and make the good ideas"

History? My country is full of histry Maybe the country with the most history ever.

Most amazing thing?

It is called the holy land

Falastiny wrote:History? My country is full of histry Maybe the country with the most history ever.

Most amazing thing?

It is called the holy land

is sweden the holy country?
Holy country for blonde girls maybe

KoD wrote:

Falastiny wrote:History? My country is full of histry Maybe the country with the most history ever.

Most amazing thing?

It is called the holy land

is sweden the holy country?
Holy country for blonde girls maybe

Ya, that to

The most powerfull man in the 12th century or something like that, his name was Salahadin (once again, or something like that ) was from kurdistan. Many say he was arab, but he was kurd. THAT I am proud of.

Florent wrote:
All of the countries who used to have slaves , black people should STFU and stop whining over their immigration to their countires, YOU destroyed their country and land and took their resources, go and build their countires up , or have them close to you.

Florent wrote:
I dont point you, I mean it generally

How could you get that to generally?
And also, to say that your own countrie got to much imigration is not being racist..
tbh I havent destroyed shit. Is it my fault that maybe my great great great great grandpa did something
bad for several hundred years ago? And I've actually experienced more racism from imigrants around my "hood"
than someone who is 'from' sweden.