Re: Vulcanic ash crippling European Air Traffic.

by Kempa Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:47 pm

Dont say that mark. Its still raining ashes here at my mom's house. It have done that for liek 4 hours...

by pn Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:48 pm

the lava created in a vulcano of divergent tectonic plates should be fluid and should not create any kind of ash, or even piroclasts.
I find this fenomenon quite strange

by Marksel Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:54 pm

Kempa wrote:Dont say that mark. Its still raining ashes here at my mom's house. It have done that for liek 4 hours...

well a 'phew' might have been a bit of an understatement, usually it ranges somewhere between 50-100 km from the vulcano, however as quicksilver stated this one was 10-20x as strong.

@ pn: that is the case in the lava flowing up from simply tectonic movement in opposit direction (which is usualy the case in Iceland), however, this eruption was highly presurised, meaning that the lava had been trying to go up for quite some time, therefore going up, solidifying partially on their flow back down because it couldn't get out, creating ashes. Looking at the reports this had been brewing for some time, probably because of the cold temperatures on iceland speeding up the solidifying process, which causes the creation of a big load of ashes, which once again is shown in the report Quicksilver made. I don't actually know how and why this happends though.

by **Necro** Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:00 pm

Marksel the geologist!! Very Happy

Physics or Biology are much more better than Geology ^^

by Marksel Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:15 pm

I actually don't take any geology classes, I just watch too much discovery channel =D

Mats / Physics / Chemics is more my thing

by Agent Smith Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:41 pm

the bad thing about vulcanic ash is not only that you are hardly able to see in that, but this can also damage engines(motors in dutch) meaning that they will stop working, so the planes can just crash, which is a bad thing of course.

except for me :p

by **Necro** Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:41 pm

Marksel wrote:I actually don't take any geology classes, I just watch too much discovery channel =D

Uhh!! I had Discovery channel and History channel years ago... I want it back Sad

Marksel wrote:Mats / Physics / Chemics is more my thing

Same here lol ^^
Much more interesting Razz

by **KoD** Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:33 pm

Necro wrote:
Marksel wrote:I actually don't take any geology classes, I just watch too much discovery channel =D
Uhh!! I had Discovery channel and History channel years ago... I want it back

Marksel wrote:Mats / Physics / Chemics is more my thing
Same here lol ^^
Much more interesting

omg you don't got that channels?

spain fails ^^

by **Necro** Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:35 pm

KoD wrote:
Necro wrote:
Marksel wrote:I actually don't take any geology classes, I just watch too much discovery channel =D
Uhh!! I had Discovery channel and History channel years ago... I want it back

Marksel wrote:Mats / Physics / Chemics is more my thing
Same here lol ^^
Much more interesting

omg you don't got that channels?

spain fails ^^

Nuu... Spain doesn't fail...
If you want those channels here you have to pay for them o.O I don't know if also you have to pay there...
I am the failer because I haven't them Sad

by **KoD** Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:39 pm

Necro wrote:
KoD wrote:
Necro wrote:
Marksel wrote:I actually don't take any geology classes, I just watch too much discovery channel =D
Uhh!! I had Discovery channel and History channel years ago... I want it back

Marksel wrote:Mats / Physics / Chemics is more my thing
Same here lol ^^
Much more interesting

omg you don't got that channels?

spain fails ^^

Nuu... Spain doesn't fail...
If you want those channels here you have to pay for them o.O I don't know if also you have to pay there...
I am the failer because I haven't them

THEY TUK NECRO'S CHANNEL

by **Necro** Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:43 pm

KoD wrote:
Necro wrote:
KoD wrote:
Necro wrote:
Marksel wrote:I actually don't take any geology classes, I just watch too much discovery channel =D
Uhh!! I had Discovery channel and History channel years ago... I want it back

Marksel wrote:Mats / Physics / Chemics is more my thing
Same here lol ^^
Much more interesting

omg you don't got that channels?

spain fails ^^

Nuu... Spain doesn't fail...
If you want those channels here you have to pay for them o.O I don't know if also you have to pay there...
I am the failer because I haven't them

THEY TUK NECRO'S CHANNEL

Are there the channels free?? :O

by **Mizurri** Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:53 pm

Necro wrote:
KoD wrote:
Necro wrote:
KoD wrote:
Necro wrote:
Marksel wrote:I actually don't take any geology classes, I just watch too much discovery channel =D
Uhh!! I had Discovery channel and History channel years ago... I want it back

Marksel wrote:Mats / Physics / Chemics is more my thing
Same here lol ^^
Much more interesting

omg you don't got that channels?

spain fails ^^

Nuu... Spain doesn't fail...
If you want those channels here you have to pay for them o.O I don't know if also you have to pay there...
I am the failer because I haven't them

THEY TUK NECRO'S CHANNEL

Are there the channels free?? :O

Ofc, we only pay for soccer.
or Privet spice.
Or Hustler
Or X-MO or something wich is gay pr0n..

NEVER WATCHED IT I SWEAR

by **KoD** Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:21 pm

Faatzor wrote:
Necro wrote:
KoD wrote:
Necro wrote:
KoD wrote:
Necro wrote:
Marksel wrote:I actually don't take any geology classes, I just watch too much discovery channel =D
Uhh!! I had Discovery channel and History channel years ago... I want it back

Marksel wrote:Mats / Physics / Chemics is more my thing
Same here lol ^^
Much more interesting

omg you don't got that channels?

spain fails ^^

Nuu... Spain doesn't fail...
If you want those channels here you have to pay for them o.O I don't know if also you have to pay there...
I am the failer because I haven't them

THEY TUK NECRO'S CHANNEL

Are there the channels free?? :O

Ofc, we only pay for soccer.
or Privet spice.
Or Hustler
Or X-MO or something wich is gay pr0n..

NEVER WATCHED IT I SWEAR

I watched that gay lifestyle pornchannel one time for 10 seconds because my mom wanted to, dont ask me why. really, my eyes still hurt

by **QuickSilver** Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:04 pm

Time for another update! The following link shows another forecast, the image in the lower right corner shows the forecast at 12:00Z on the 16th. The whole of Holland is still covered, aswell as Northern France now. I'm assuming 'my' airport will be closed aswell, or atleast very very limited.

--> http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/aviation/vaac/data/VAG_1271354037.png <--

A little background on this vulcano:

Over the past 1,100 years, Eyjafjallajökull has erupted four times: in 920, 1612, between 1821–1823, and in 2010. Each of the first three of these incidents directly preceded a major eruption in the nearby subglacial volcano, Katla. There is so far no evidence that Katla will erupt because of its vicinity to the current eruption in Eyjafjallajökull. Katla, which is a much more active volcano, known for its powerful subglacial eruptions and its large magma chamber, much larger than that of the Eyjafjallajökull volcano system, has still not shown any unusual activity, like expansion of the crust or seismic activity.

However, one cannot rule out that possibility, since history has shown that Eyjafjallajökull can be a precursor to additional Katla activity. Some geophysicists in Iceland support the notion that the recent volcanic eruption at Eyjafjallajökull may trigger a second eruption at Katla, which would cause a major flooding event due to melting of glacial ice.

This is like nothing I've seen or heard of before. The complete Northern part of Europe has been shut down when it comes to air traffic. I find it very surreal but at the same time fascinating. Even 9/11 didn't even have such a big impact on aviation as vulcano currently has. I'm very curious how this will affect my work this weekend and how long this will continue! But judging from the link I posted in this thread and what I've read so far, it's going to be pretty bad (not to mention much this is costing airlines/airports).

Oh and guys, let's keep this on-topic please, thanks Wink

by Morfy Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:48 pm

holy shit 2012

by Florent Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:39 am

Well time to blame Iceland haha Very Happy

No but serious, Quicksilver, why does plane fly thru clouds but not thru this one? I mean the pilot got the radar?

And why is the picture white in front of the plane?

Can it cause anything ?

by **KoD** Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:57 am

First they tuk our money, now they send us a vuclanic ash, LETS GO TO WAR

by Marksel Fri Apr 16, 2010 2:40 am

Florent wrote:Well time to blame Iceland haha

No but serious, Quicksilver, why does plane fly thru clouds but not thru this one? I mean the pilot got the radar?

And why is the picture white in front of the plane?

Can it cause anything ?

read my posts =/

Cloud = mixture of water in fluid and gas form

Ash = highly corrosive solid objects

Clouds you fly THROUGH
Ash you fly INTO

by **kwaakt** Fri Apr 16, 2010 6:11 am

Just made this picture, Left is the south right is the north.
On the left you see a white sky, The ash is covered with ice. Thats why it is white at the moment. On the right the sky is blue. The concentration of ash is lower there.

Vulcanic ash crippling European Air Traffic. - Page 2 Img_3311

by **QuickSilver** Fri Apr 16, 2010 6:25 am

Florent, what Mark said is indeed right. And the whitish thing in the first image I linked of that 747 is the result of the friction between the airplane and the ashes. Vulcanic ash has very sharp edges which can really strip the paint of an aircraft (which happened with flight BA009)! Look at Marksel's posts again and I'm sure you will understand Smile

Ultimately, these ashes can cause an aircraft to crash as they make the engines flame-out (they stop working), the aircraft descends and there is no telling if the pilots can re-ignite they engines in time.

Here's a link with some very cool photos that people made of the vulcano:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/yahooeditorspicks/galleries/72157623855495574/#photo_4500152340

Also, I've got the latest Metcharts!
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/aviation/vaac/data/VAG_1271417376.png

And one from the Norwegian MET office:
http://met.no/?module=Articles;action=Article.publicShow;ID=2873

Judging from those 2 links, it wouldn't surprise me if the closure of the airspaces remains valid until atleast sunday Shocked

@ Kwaakt, nice shot and it gives a good view of what things are looking like. Must be nice sitting in the garden now eh Wink

by **QuickSilver** Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:34 am

Some lighthearted 'humor' for now. The Lolcano..:

Vulcanic ash crippling European Air Traffic. - Page 2 Lolcano

by **QuickSilver** Sat Apr 17, 2010 2:55 am

The morning update:

It's still not good Sad

All airspaces still closed until at least 18:00Z today and the UK even until tomorrow morning already. Overnight there was a window where the ashes were gone and flights could get through to the UK, but the airspace is now closed again.

By the looks of the image, it's going to take a while before ANY flight from mainland Europe will be airborne again. And there is even talk of some airlines getting into serious financial trouble because of this. I really doubt there will be any flying this weekend.

Link: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/aviation/vaac/data/VAG_1271483349.png

by **Necro** Sat Apr 17, 2010 2:57 am

Some of my school mates will go to Paris next tuesday, do you think they will go??

by **Spx.** Sat Apr 17, 2010 3:36 am

Well, like the 4th classes of my school are in different countries (uitwisselingsweek voor de Nederlanders), but they went by plane and should arrive today, I think. So they won't come back? Then I got less school! Very Happy

by **DarkNess** Sat Apr 17, 2010 3:47 am

Spx. wrote:Well, like the 4th classes of my school are in different countries (uitwisselingsweek voor de Nederlanders), but they went by plane and should arrive today, I think. So they won't come back? Then I got less school!

Hahahahahaha XDDD

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