Banned for 1 week. Reason: "Deny the holocaust"

Hi there people. Finally holiday from school, thinking of JB. But as many says, there is always an enemy hunting you and wanting to destroy your happines. Well, not exactly what hapend. But this letter will be to the all admins and ND members, for the first you should not be to proud and make whatever you want because u got two letters infront of your name.

For the second, I love that server, not of the members, not of the mode, but of the serious people and funny people, the people who are there makes the server worth to play in, the people there keep me playing there, if not them, I would never play there.

Well all ND memebers, be honest to your self, and judge this.

I got banned for 1 week, because I was accused for deny the holocaust. My friend (aka Isma in the game) that I know IRL, are working with a project, and asked me in the server what I think about holocaust how many died etc. I said my opinion is 2 milion, then suddenly som people started to write "Heil Hitler" I hate jews etc.

I said that, I dont have against the religion of Jew, I just have against that people (not all of them) who are killin innocent people, every nationality have idiots, thats it.

This person who banned me, I dont want to say his name, maybe he self are a man and so brave to defend his ban against me can tell us in forum. He says that I deny the holocaust.
I have my own rights to say what I think about holocaust, there is no rule in no country that says "If u deny that 6 milion died u will get punished" but it says " If u deny the Holocaust you will get punished" I NEVER deny the holocaust in that server, and I say to you dear admin, that if u ever find the text where I say I deny the holocaust, you will be allowed to perm ban me from ND, and I mean seriously, I never say that because ND is a big part of my gaming world, I love that server.

My friend one of them who plays is black, many ppl in server says niggah etc, doesnt he feel insulted for that? Isnt the slavetrade more worse than holocaust? That people makes joke about that the black peoples mothers are bitches infront of 3 ND members in server who use the classic apology "I didnt saw that / I was afk" I just answer thats so F. BS!

Saying niggah to a black is like a Nazi saying Heil Hitler to a jew. Its same...

In the STEAM chat that admin says first, ppl who says Niggah gets kicked too, but later in chat he says you cant compare niggah with deny holocaust, and dear you I have stil not deny the holocaust.

And Niggah isnt a word that came up yesterday, its older than Holocaust, more than 8 milion died, how do you think this friend of mine who is black feels that his where brought and killed and then people show more symphati for jews BUT not for blacks? I mean I can deny the slavetrade how much I want without having trouble?

Is that the freedom of speech people, think in your hearts, to be honest, I have fought against many admins here, but forget it, just ask your self is that freedom of speech, that u should have rights to tell your opinion, that doesnt offence jewish?

I can say that u hate jewish because you say 6 milion died but only 2 died, so you want them dead, so your are a Nazi, what I want to say that is that we dont know how maany died no good proofs can tell us that.
Why do they show so big tention to holocaust by banning people and people who says the black womens are bitches and niggah and fucking black slave in your servers are allowed?

You know what this admin answers?

XXXX: to be honest: im not so much interested in all historical stuff. the only thing that matters in that case is that holocaust denial is illegal in many countries and there not tolerated on the nD servers.

Stil I havent deny...

I had hard arguments against him, so it ended that he left the chat with me and my friend.


To much writting I have even more, but I want to thank you for your pathetic decision for destroying my holiday, and I hope one day, when ur admin powers is taken away, if that hapens I will face you because I cant do it now because you can ban me from a server that are important for me.

Good job! But dont forget me, and dont forget that I will have my revench back, how and when doesnt matter, but it will come and that will really hurt you.

If ND members want to deal with me, you can bann me 2 weeks just let me play this week because I have holiday.


One more thing, why I got banned was because he never saw what I wrote, but a jew said to him that I did something racits then I got banned, but when I say that somebudy is insulting me, he answers I didnt see that, you see that the even make value by humans in this server?
God bless our democracy... NOT!


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Florent

Pushing up from page 2.

Well the part about 2 letters infront of your name is completly wrong, I loved play left 4 dead with you you were a great and fun player but then when it came to cs you changed, you started saying to me just because i have 2 letters infront of my name makes me know all the rules and i replied that i read all the rules on the website and i know most of them very well especially jailbreak. But then you carried on saying that just because i have 2 letters doesnt mean your better than me, then i blocked you on steam

But the story your telling is true it doesnt deserve a kick and hopefully the member that banned you will reply to this topic saying why but if you explained to the members online that you werent being racist i see no problem but you should do it in steam chat not our servers.

D4ZO I dont want to speak about a mistake you did too, because we can speak privatly about that, to say it shortly, what I know, you must warn people before they got kicked, I have asked about that many ND members, and they answered that it was not right what you did, but nvm it was a long time ago.

About the second, I have witness that I NEVER deny the holoacust, I never said fuck jews or heil Hitler. Never said like that, but in the other way, there were people who said HEIL HITLER, I HATE FUCKING JEWS etc.
But he didnt do anything, do you know why?
HE NEVER SAW THAT PEOPLE SAYING FUCK JEWS AND NEVER SAW ME, BUT A JEW IN THAT SERVER (ELIRAM) SAID TO HIM THAT IM BEING AN ANTI SEMITIST.
So he didnt ask me he didnt have proofs he just banned me.
Then when I speak to him he leaves the chat. He always says u deny you deny you deny...
And somebody are getting self proud by having ND infront of their name, as one had but got kicked out of ND.

Okay i was there for this,
And i agree, he never denied the holocaust.
The guy who banned him (no names mentioned) really didnt give him a chance to explain himself and was instant with the ban, therefore i think that florent does not deserve a ban.

Its pretty useless coming in here with a story about a member who banned you but yet not want to say the name of the involved member.

We cant do anything if we dont know who the person in question is.

While I do agree this should be more at home in a rpivate convo and not the in-game chat, I feel that Florent got banned a bit too quick maybe.

In this case, it might be a good idea to name the person that banned Florent and let him/her explain it here.

Okey I didnt want to say the name because to protect that admin, but sure if you members want the name.

Game name: Ace
Steamname: Mati

Please dont change your opinions now if he is a friend of you etc.

And I hope you can do anything to remove this unban, as fast as possible because I have holiday now and im bored to stay without playing JB.

Or if you want my ban to remain we can make a deal that let me play this holiday then u can ban me 2 weeks more after the holiday.

I looked it up in the Strikelist and you are flagged for Antisemitism.
Although there is not a link to a report of it so that would explain it to be the work of above mentioned admin Mati.

Now its only in awaitall of answer from Mati to clear it up.

I can show you the chat we had with Mati, Its very long but I can post it here if you want.

Florent wrote:I can show you the chat we had with Mati, Its very long but I can post it here if you want.

Posting it is quite useless.
If you already had a chat with Mati and the outcome of that was that you will stay banned then we cant do much.
Mati is an admin which means he stands Above us i guess you have to accept his descission.

Left4Snacks*^: I mean I can talk and say my opinion
Mati: freedom of speech ends when it comes to holocaust denial, im sorry, but thats
Mati: many democratic countries forbid that
Left4Snacks*^: But u know that there were worser things than holocaust
Left4Snacks*^: I mean look at the slave trading
Left4Snacks*^: And I never deny holocaust dont say so.
Mati: well, you just shouldn't do things on our server which is against the laws in some countries, and that was one of it
Left4Snacks*^: The server is based on English country, its english laws, and Im from Sweden we have same laws, nearly same...
Mati: nope, the bans are global
Left4Snacks*^: Then u should even kick ppl who says niggah and those words
Mati: we do
Mati: but sometimes members dont see
Left4Snacks*^: Thats not true, people says fuck black and niggah you dont do anything
Left4Snacks*^: So its like a nazi saying Heil to a jew
Left4Snacks*^: for my friend who is black to hear word niggah
Left4Snacks*^: but that doesnt get so much tention
Mati: thats not tolerated either on the servers
Left4Snacks*^: No tolerated by rules, yes, but many members tolerate that

Din chatt med Mati har nu flera deltagare.
[ISMA JOINED THE CHAT]

Mati har bjudits in till chatten.
IsmA! har bjudits in till chatten.
Left4Snacks*^: So
Left4Snacks*^: We have isma here too ?
IsmA! gick med i chatt.
IsmA!: Mati are u ace
Mati: you cant compare saying niggah with holocaust denial though
Left4Snacks*^: I NEVER denied the holocaust
IsmA!: mati
Left4Snacks*^: Slave trade
IsmA!: listen
Left4Snacks*^: was worser
Left4Snacks*^: ppl got tortued
IsmA!: Niggah isnt a word that came up yesterday
IsmA!: its OLDER than holocaust
IsmA!: and trust me
IsmA!: more than 8 million died
IsmA!: How do u think i feel when my people where brought and killed
IsmA!: like hitler did
IsmA!: and then people show more symphati for the jews
IsmA!: if i jew say i dont believe in slave trade
IsmA!: wat will happend
IsmA!: NOthing!
Left4Snacks*^: nothing
IsmA!: if i say
IsmA!: they will throw me in jail
IsmA!: ANd freedom of speech ?
IsmA!: where is it?
IsmA!: they draw
IsmA!: pictures
IsmA!: of mohammed
IsmA!: and if we draw a picture of holocaust
Left4Snacks*^: thats what we want to say we know that hitler didnt do anything good
IsmA!: u will be banned from all countries
Left4Snacks*^: But we want to get tention about why just holocaust
Mati: to be honest: im not so much interested in all historical stuff. the only thing that matters in that case is that holocaust denial is illegal in many countries and there not tolerated on the nD servers.
[SO HE DIDNT KNOW WHAT TO SAY ANYMORE]
IsmA!: If u are so into lawa
IsmA!: laws
IsmA!: if u r so into laws
IsmA!: how come i get insulted because of my race
IsmA!: and beliefs
IsmA!: in your servers=
IsmA!: nothing happends
Left4Snacks*^: ye
IsmA!: a guy recently
IsmA!: called my mom
IsmA!: puta
IsmA!: what did admin do ?
IsmA!: absolutely NOTHING
IsmA!: when my friend deny
IsmA!: he didnt deny
IsmA!: he said
Left4Snacks*^: I said max 2 milion died
IsmA!: i believe it occured
IsmA!: but i dont think it was 8 milliob
Mati: when did that happen? me or other members cant see everything, and if that just happened, I went outside the game afterwards. if someone would have seen that it wouldn't be tolerated as well
IsmA!: he said 2
IsmA!: But my friend
IsmA!: didnt deny
Left4Snacks*^: And why do u suddenly only catch me ?
IsmA!: holocaust
IsmA!: he said
IsmA!: i only think 2 million died
IsmA!: and that isnt a denial
IsmA!: and NO man in this world
IsmA!: can say
IsmA!: exactly how many died
IsmA!: its impossible
IsmA!: so he didnt deny
IsmA!: if u can find a denial in console
IsmA!: then u can have him banned
IsmA!: or i suggest unban cause there are no proofs of denial
Mati: trivialize the holocaust also fits in that law
Left4Snacks*^: So
IsmA!: that law
Left4Snacks*^: Does law says X milion died ?
IsmA!: is maybe in germany
IsmA!: where we live
Left4Snacks*^: it says 8 milion
IsmA!: we dont study german law
Left4Snacks*^: somewhere it says 6 milion
IsmA!: In germany its more Strict i know
IsmA!: but in swedish
IsmA!: we have something
Left4Snacks*^: Server is english
IsmA!: called
IsmA!: freedom of speech
IsmA!: u can say whatever is on ur mind
Left4Snacks*^: Ye, like we made fools of muslims
Left4Snacks*^: and that was totally okay
IsmA!: Mati for ur time sake
IsmA!: i suggest an unbann cause my friend didnt know
IsmA!: i know him irl
IsmA!: he dont deny holocaust
IsmA!: infact he is helping me with a project
IsmA!: about holocaust
Mati: You can make an unban request, then I will state everything I have (server logs) and the reason, and then we see if another admin disagrees.
Left4Snacks*^: Where
Left4Snacks*^: can we do that
Left4Snacks*^: And trust me
IsmA!: if this is anti-semitic sorry
Mati: games.neondragon.net
IsmA!: but i think admins
Left4Snacks*^: even if it was 1 day bann
Left4Snacks*^: I just gonna do it
IsmA!: will show
Left4Snacks*^: for the rights i have
IsmA!: florent
IsmA!: dont do it
Left4Snacks*^: ye?
Left4Snacks*^: why?
IsmA!: they will show symphati
IsmA!: for jews
IsmA!: its about jews u cant win
Left4Snacks*^: I know
IsmA!: so dont post
IsmA!: just wait
IsmA!: and stick to ur thoughts
IsmA!: no man on earth can take away ur thoughts and beliefs
IsmA!: Imo its not anti-semitic
Mati: if you take it for yourself, thats true
IsmA!: Mati
IsmA!: do u know who rule USA?
IsmA!: Do u know who is behind Obama ?
Mati: no
Mati: who
IsmA!: heheh ok
IsmA!: why are all arabs in guantanamo bay?
IsmA!: why invade Iraq
IsmA!: then Afghanistan
IsmA!: why muslim countries?
IsmA!: and people
IsmA!: who hate muslim? who do muslims hate?
Mati lämnade chatten.
[HE LEFT THE CHAT, HE COULDNT DEFEND HIS BAN = LOST THE ARGUMENTS]

Darkness, thank you, that shows you that you are scared to say against your leader, you know the truth but dont want to say that.

I will spread this to all I know from JB to tell them what kind of honesty the members of ND have. What kind of brave you have to not say against something whos unfair.

Thank you very much, I hope one day I get the chance to destroy your career as ND you and many others who doesnt want to accept this.

I will tell everyone I know that play on ND server about this.
And I want to thank that Jew [ELIRAM] who said to Mati that I did something that I never did, and that Mati are so smart and intellegence that he belived what he said, because he is a jew.

I dont have anything to say, your just so pathetic, and your names will be more dirty of having the ND letters from now, you will see what I gonna do against you.

And remember, you will see me faster than you think in the server of ND, I will be there with another account with another name, so ban me how much you want.

This was my last post in your forum, I would be a shame to stay here.

How do you think Ishould deny the holocaust?
Did you know that Hitler even killed my people? Im not Swedish with origin, did you know that im not blond or blueeyed, so why should I support Hitler?

I said you got no proofs of having me banned for something that I never typed. I said, find the text where I deny the Holocaust then ban me for ever.

What u are basicly doing in above chat is trying to push your mistake off on others by saying members dont do stuff about people saying Niggah etc (for that i can show u atleast 20 ban reports of people swearing with it and getting banned for it).
The problem is, Its not about what other people do but what u do.

The chat was about you getting banned for denieng the Holocaust and what you did was blaming other people for it.

Just to come back at your point of view on our way of banning "Racist" people:

All the below screenshots are of reported people who got banned for it:







These are just a little percentage of people who got punished for it.
Pleas dont say that we dont do shit about it because we definitly do.

Darkness, thank you, that shows you that you are scared to say against your leader, you know the truth but dont want to say that.

I am in no way "scared" of standing up against Mati, I have known him even before he became member and if i do not agree with something he does i will tell him that.
You are saying that i know what happend yet i was NOT there i did NOT see any screenshots i only have information based on words.
I am not picking any sides im just saying that there is not much that we can do about it at this point can we?
It is quite useless to say that im scared when i dont have enough information to judge on the subject.

Florent wrote:Darkness, thank you, that shows you that you are scared to say against your leader, you know the truth but dont want to say that.

I will spread this to all I know from JB to tell them what kind of honesty the members of ND have. What kind of brave you have to not say against something whos unfair.

Thank you very much, I hope one day I get the chance to destroy your career as ND you and many others who doesnt want to accept this.

I will tell everyone I know that play on ND server about this.

And I want to thank that Jew [ELIRAM] who said to Mati that I did something that I never did, and that Mati are so smart and intellegence that he belived what he said, because he is a jew.

I dont have anything to say, your just so pathetic, and your names will be more dirty of having the ND letters from now, you will see what I gonna do against you.

And remember, you will see me faster than you think in the server of ND, I will be there with another account with another name, so ban me how much you want.

This was my last post in your forum, I would be a shame to stay here.

How do you think Ishould deny the holocaust?
Did you know that Hitler even killed my people? Im not Swedish with origin,

did you know that im not blond or blueeyed, so why should I support Hitler?

I said you got no proofs of having me banned for something that I never typed. I said, find the text where I deny the Holocaust then ban me for ever.

Ah now i see why Mati banned you, You are more racist then most of the people we get on the servers.
I have blue eye's blond hair, Does that mean i support Hitler?

When i read this i now 100% agree on banning you, i would even like to permban you which i can assure you will happen sooner or later..

Darkness: Ehh, where do you see that Im racist there?

What kind of IQ does a human have to support Hitler when he have killed your own people?

Do you think there is a jew supporting Hitler? No, why? Because he killed his people. Same with me?

Well as I said you are admin and got powers.


And no, im not big racist, im not even racist, I dont want to speak about my private life, but I have fought against many racists.

By the way, there are more racists but maybe you dont even like blacks too, so you dont see that as racists. But I have seen a lot of things, People who said fuck all black people, and black womens are bitches etc. thats normal in your opinion. But saying the word Jew, is something like murding a human.

florent , you are totally like brandt

you hate every one who is member and wants to violate the rules,

as soon as people saw you doing something against the rules , you start denying , you start flaming , and start hating the servers... go play with brandt please... you guys are BFFs and dont belong here lol ...

go hate another server , i know youre reputation lol ...

http://neondragon.forumotion.co.uk/trash-f53/lajja-en-svarting-56-steam_011415232-racism-t2740.htm

http://neondragon.forumotion.co.uk/trash-f53/duffy-racism-t2708.htm

http://neondragon.forumotion.co.uk/trash-f53/baichi-154-steam_0116548694-bit-racism-t2738.htm

Here you have 3 of my ban reports which are not stationed on the strike list for racist people against the black.
Do you still think i dont like black people?

And I want to thank that Jew [ELIRAM] who said to Mati that I did something that I never did, and that Mati are so smart and intellegence that he belived what he said, because he is a jew.

This is what you said, You do lay alot of attention on the jew part dont you?
It seems as if you dont like jews and you especially dont like eliram because he is a jew in your view.

did you know that im not blond or blueeyed, so why should I support Hitler?

Here your basicly saying that everyone who is blond or blueeyed supports Hitler, Racist more pleas?

Red-Phoenix.

I have told you, I dont speak with you, the way you discuss tells me that you really suck in discussions. You dont have to name Brandt here, in my opinion you are so jealous at him that you says his name in every sentence you use. I dont hate all admins, As that 4 members of ND can proof that, I have told them that you 4 are my favourites of ND.

Darkness, you but the other ones?

And still Mati says I deni the holocaust, and let him find proofs as you have proofs to your own banns, let him show the proof where I deni the holocaust.

Before he banned me he said I will ban you FLorent, for denial of the holocaust.

I didnt do it. I just said my opinion 2 million died.


And tell me how you think that Im racist?

Florent wrote:Red-Phoenix.

I have told you, I dont speak with you, the way you discuss tells me that you really suck in discussions. You dont have to name Brandt here, in my opinion you are so jealous at him that you says his name in every sentence you use. I dont hate all admins, As that 4 members of ND can proof that, I have told them that you 4 are my favourites of ND.

lol

first : you are talking with me
second : yes it helps bringing brandt and you here , cuz people know how you guys did in other servers
third : asslicking will get you as far as flanky (wich is permed)

Red Phoenix:

This is my first ban ever in ND, shall we take a look of your bans?
You are jealous of him, you reported him for nothing, you faked everything.
For the third, im not asslicking, because Im talking against those, but you should stop keeping your tounge in their asses because you protect something you dont even know, take and read the first text I wrote, or maybe you have not reached that level to read so much?
For your sake, Its better to be quite and people thinks that you are stupid than open your mouth and confirm it.

Florent wrote:Darkness, you but the other ones?

And still Mati says I deni the holocaust, and let him find proofs as you have proofs to your own banns, let him show the proof where I deni the holocaust.

Before he banned me he said I will ban you FLorent, for denial of the holocaust.

I didnt do it. I just said my opinion 2 million died.


And tell me how you think that Im racist?

I edited my post about you being racist..

DarkNess wrote:http://neondragon.forumotion.co.uk/trash-f53/lajja-en-svarting-56-steam_011415232-racism-t2740.htm

http://neondragon.forumotion.co.uk/trash-f53/duffy-racism-t2708.htm

http://neondragon.forumotion.co.uk/trash-f53/baichi-154-steam_0116548694-bit-racism-t2738.htm

Here you have 3 of my ban reports which are not stationed on the strike list for racist people against the black.
Do you still think i dont like black people?

And I want to thank that Jew [ELIRAM] who said to Mati that I did something that I never did, and that Mati are so smart and intellegence that he belived what he said, because he is a jew.

This is what you said, You do lay alot of attention on the jew part dont you?
It seems as if you dont like jews and you especially dont like eliram because he is a jew in your view.

did you know that im not blond or blueeyed, so why should I support Hitler?

Here your basicly saying that everyone who is blond or blueeyed supports Hitler, Racist more pleas?

No I dont mean that everyone who is blueeyed and blond likes Hitler, but I cant support Hitler because im not blond and blueeyed. I dont mean that the blond people support him.

I dont hate eliram for his religious thoughts, religion is your private thing. I hate him for faking because he is a jew, to make it more clearly why Eliram is the problem, is because he was a jew and felt insulted when I said 2 milion died.

Florent wrote:Red Phoenix:

This is my first ban ever in ND, shall we take a look of your bans?
You are jealous of him, you reported him for nothing, you faked everything.
For the third, im not asslicking, because Im talking against those, but you should stop keeping your tounge in their asses because you protect something you dont even know, take and read the first text I wrote, or maybe you have not reached that level to read so much?
For your sake, Its better to be quite and people thinks that you are stupid than open your mouth and confirm it.

omg what a language Ö thats not good matey , go wash your mouth a bit
its smart not to talk like this on the forum ^^
and ok , check my bans , i havent got any ban ever

and i cant understand why this is your first ban ? (in Nd )
and yes ofcourse i faked lol
i love fake banning people , but if you want to discuss about that useless sh*t again , talk to me on steam cuz its about YOUR ban now , and not Brandts ban. (where he was clearly Whing)